Chaosphere onwards they just chug following a 'weird' beat, which can be easily associated in terms of songwriting (not sound per se) to electronic music or anything else. I, for instance, consider most of Meshuggah's albums something not metal, but that's just me. It's too 'modern hardcore' in the core to be considered metal IMO. Not cause it has heavily distorted guitars means it's metal. It's fast and 'brutal' but not metal, simple as that.
It really doesn't matter how 'heavy' it may sound, see grindcore for example. It's just a chug in 'weird' time signatures and Periphery does it too. says goes.įrom a more personal standpoint, I can't hear metal songwriting and riffs in djent. Not that it really matters, site is privately owned and whatever the collective that was chosen to help run it. Hell there are a bunch of noise/math rock bands that utilize these elements and are even more aggresive and actually heavier than Periphery, but they aren't metal. There are plenty of other genres that also utilize these to a high degree. I guess I just don't hear the metal elements you are talking about cause 'crazy rhythm and technicality, to unusual song structures.' are not strictly metal elements. if they don't even share a fair part of aspects it's generally associated with. This is not about whether you like them or not - I'm just curious why are they so strongly, undeniably considered to be non-metal, and also why are they thrown together with the entirety of the djent subgenre. I'm quite curious if there is something I'm missing here, but simply in most discussions about them I've seen here, they were instantly discarded as an utterly non-metal band, and it often seemed to me like a judgement based on pretty superficial reasons. While they definitely do have some hardcore or metalcore leanings in their sound - especially the vocals, alright, but that's an entirely separate and not any less terrifying topic - I see and hear far more progressive metal and technical extreme metal in them (with a metalcorish touch for a more melodic feel and a very smooth-sounding production) than any sort of hardcore.
Like I said, this basically doesn't apply to Periphery (I won't bore you with technical stuff here, but there is plenty of that), and from what I've read their influences have far more to do with metal than with any -core subgenres - I'm pretty certain Dream Theater counts as at least as important for them as Meshuggah as an influence, and when reading about bands/musicians they consider to be an influence, I have indeed seen some non-metal bands often mentioned (such as Deftones for example), but then I've seen lots of quite certainly metal bands and guitarists appear - from James Hetfield and Randy Rhoads to. Djent is usually cited to be crap for the (ab)use of 8-strings and permanent chugging, ridiculously low tunings, all bands sounding more or less the same, full-on Meshuggah worship and stuff like that. I've generally seen djent as a whole to be seen as rather metalcorish and laughed at for various reasons, and the funny thing is, most of the stuff I've read about that does not apply to Periphery themselves. Note: we're not talking about the entire djent subgenre. Ok, I know some people are going to jump at me with axes and stuff for this and I hope to not cause a shitstorm, but anyway: I've been reading various posts (some over time, some just now with the Search thingy) about why this band is generally considered to be whatevercore rather than metal around here, and I am a little puzzled. (I wasn't quite certain where to put this thread it's more of a "general idea about the band" than "why are they not allowed on MA" thread so I thought it doesn't belong in suggestions.
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